2011 NIV. I knew what the topic was. "I was sitting in the back seat. Great! Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. I remember as a young pastor first hearing about James at a 2002 Moody Pastors Conference and reading his well written book on hermeneutics with an apologetic leaning and being blessed from his book. I knew that I wasnt going to win any arguments in the room. It was so much easier to read and understand. So for Jim McDonald to say that he didnt remember like, Im not buying it, right? And that was actually the night we went, we went into the I think we went to one oclock in the morning and actually walked through whether James McDonald was qualified as an elder. And my job was to get it to fellow elder board. My husband really appreciates James McDonalds preaching against my better judgement I told him about the new messagesso we have the Advent message from his Home Church network cast to the TV I had planned to leave the room so I didnt have to watch it I have to tell you he sounds sincere (without wax) I find the whole situation so heart breaking and confusing. And I hope I hope that a lot of people have read that and they dont owe me anything, but I hope its been healing to them. Dan and his wife, Kim, subsequently left Harvest, but remain committed to the integrity of the Church and caring for those who have been hurt in the Church. When I did not immediately respond, MacDonald tweeted I had declined his invitation, which I did not. But some of these people, for 10 years or more, had been maligned. Well, again, joining me today is Dan George, a former elder at Harvest, and one of only two former elders whos apologized to me personally, for some of the nasty things that were said about me when I was reporting on the church and James McDonald. Yet he notes that only a small number of former listeners responded positively. Others, who stumbled by the public deception sent many hateful words.. The Asbury Revival Is Over. . Ryan Visconti, the Arizona pastor platforming discredited celebrity preacher James MacDonald is attracting attentionnot just for his new partnership, but also his provocative social media posts about women and marriage. Like this had been a months long drawn out battle. But by the time we were done that night, the decision that night was two things. That was you, wasnt it? I remember going home, my wife picked me up, I went home, and I just laid on the couch and looked at her. Not all he said was false because then it would have been obvious to any discerning Christian. His employment is coming to an end. Five of the six have been published. And she immediately said, Ill write a letter. And I got the text. But I think my kat has watched too much Kenneth Copeland. Then, referencing his arbitration with Harvest, in which he won about $2.5 million, along with all digital and physical assets of Walk in the Word, MacDonald writes: When we won the arbitration and regained access to our teaching ministry, it was in shambleslike a model plane that had flown so beautifully, being returned with report of a crash, when in reality an envious child had dashed it against the rocks just out of sight.. . Hi. You did you have any idea that that this was out there, and might get aired? I felt physically sick reading the letter. Like, I cant believe this. And most of them, a number of them, Ill say, have not read any of these letters. In an email to The Roys Report (TRR), Vernick noted that in the Old Testament, Abigail, the wife of the boorish and immature, Nabal, was a strong woman, married to a weak characterand she wasnt toxic. Welcome to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. But again, reading those letters, and it does have a different impact when you read the actual letter than someone summarizes it. And this is this was this was hard, but at the end of the night, we talked through it, we shared things from the letters. He surrounded himself with yes men and used intimidation tactics to keep people in line. And I, the next day, I wrote and said, Well, okay, I respect your wishes. God does not value the sanctity of marriage more than the safety and sanity of individuals in that marriage.. That would have been December I think 18th, 2018. Theres a number of narratives out there right now about how these letters came to the elder board. Id read through everything and all the letters. (We're a church of around 4,000 members & regular attenders.) Very sad situation for James and the elders as well. I mean, here he is in Haiti, thats just been wracked by an earthquake, unbelievable poverty and devastation. How do you how do you do anything with 30 people? And so we had a long meeting that Saturday to talk about what we were going to do. . If youre truly interested in hearing other views ask why or tell me how you landed there. You could tell where it was headed probably. My spouse and I and many others went to college with James in the eighties in Canada. And so really appreciate that and appreciate the time at which you did that. So if you cant say anything, I mean, again, hes dismissive of the actual letters. Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? I totally get the emotion that you must have felt because I felt it, too. Im sorry, before a so called board.removes a man of God they must first consider the fruit of his ministry. A man of God who just wanted to take a vacation with his family, has the right to use church money which is his only source of income. So the topic of you know, among other things, the topic of the meeting that night on the agenda was to go through the letters to look at the charges and to walk through it and decide, does he meet the qualifications of an elder? And many who have followed this story know what James McDonald has done. What does the bible say about that? And we were at an absolute stalemate. You know, theres, I would say, round two, but I my guess is there were lots of small rounds in there, of people being silenced and bringing charges and, and the board looking the other way. Mine havent offered any blessings, but at least they havent eaten my extremities while I sleep. And I dont know what his exact words were, but it was basically dont you dare read scripture to me. Again, James is is now saying, oh, all of that had approval. What Happens Now? According to Harvest Bible Chapel pastor James McDonald, former Moody Radio host Julie Roys and bloggers Ryan Mahoney and Scott Bryant published and helped publicize false and damaging financial . Right? Maybe some have on this platform for posting Julie has provided, but Ive never seen it. I at least heard of it from somebody by that point. And you have James McDonald coming in, from the United States, getting off the plane for a little bit, doing a few meetings, which I guess he complained about doing. Whats wrong with Visconti supporting Kari Lake or speaking out against abortion or transgenderism? Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. And Im just grateful that finally, the board, open their eyes. I really am so very sick of these self-righteous, insensitive, insulting church leaders who think they are the only ones who have a hardwire connection to God preaching on the subject of wives submit to your husbands while they leave out the husbands responsibility to love their wives as Christ loved the church. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! Rather, its helping those in bondage find freedom. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. June 17, 2021 James MacDonald, the former megachurch pastor who's been embroiled in scandal and controversy for several years, is lashing out against independent journalist Julie Roys. I look back at those meetings. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? He is not a pastor. No one takes joy in doing this. Wives submit to your husbands. We turned out to have six witnesses who wrote 28 pages with innumerable charges. Makes me sad and understand why his life went out of control. Thats right. According to The Elephant's Debt (TED), a blog critical of MacDonald that launched in the summer of 2012, MacDonald was then taking a salary over $500,000, and living on a $1.9 million estate. My strength is dried up, as by the heat of summer. But so much else not owned. You are Julie. But like you do what that says and the people responded as you hope Christians do. Then pray for all of us. The Roys Report has over 78 articles dedicated to MacDonald and/or HBC, many of which were written by Roys. That this wasnt just James failure. How can we approve this? And now think about this. I dont know how the person who gave them to me got them. In this episode of The Roys Report, former Harvest elder, Dan George, joins Julie to tell the real story of MacDonalds firing. If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of God, and Proverbs, etc. We will talk through it. I also dont believe girls (or boys) have to like certain colors or behave and dress in certain ways to be real girls/boys. We did not hurry. And I checked my voicemail. I know a lot of people look at this. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. Thats a Tuesday night. We knew what we knew what we were going to do. Just saying a lot of vile things. Because Julie, I knew that, even if Id gotten the chance to read it in front of Harvest, which would have been really hard, but would have been healing to people. Sandy talked about over the years, other staff members coming to her after meeting with James McDonald in tears, just crushed. I think he might have and the reason I say that is that weekend, so you know, here we are on Tuesday, Tuesday, the fifth. Patient, kind, not self-seeking. And Im just trying to smear him. The owners of Marquardt are friends of mine, Dan and Kurt Marquardt. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. I remember that too. We knew I needed to do it. James MacDonald and Harvest: Years of Discord . Like so many other cradle to present churched people, all I ever knew was the KJV Bible. So grateful to be healthy and happy in the Lord to where I can finally wade into the filth from JuLIE Roys. I mean, I got exonerated rather quickly. And then if you could, please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. to Rick Donald. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. I appreciate elders (Hebrews 13:17). Julie Roys lives for her anti gospel, anti authority, man hating bias - even partnering with shock jocks like Mancow Muller or worse. Ive listened to the entire recording. She was powerful and wise., Similarly, popular marriage and sex author, Sheila Wray Gregoire, wrote to TRR, The idea that a man can only be happy in a marriage when a wife is weaker than him shows that his idea of manhood is an extremely fragile one., As reported by TRR earlier this week, Visconti has publicly announced that he is being mentored by James MacDonald, and MacDonald has preached at Generation Church numerous times this past year. And I stopped my car. So let me let me take you to February I believe is February 12. I hope you have a great day and God bless. Come out of her, my people. Also, if youre in the market for a car, I encourage you to check out my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. And there were a number in the room who were looking at I Timothy 5, thats for those who persistence sin rebuke them in the presence of all so that the rest may stand in fear. The multi-campus Harvest Bible Chapel in greater Chicago along with founder James MacDonald, has slapped several former workers and independent journalist Julie Roys with a defamation lawsuit alleging the publication of false information about the church, its finances and governance that resulted in the loss of 2,000 members. And I know its cost you personally. Ron Duitsman, Chairman of the Board, who agreed to fire James, now appears to be out there, saying that after James got fired, that the elders were were spinning what happened in a false way. So they have no idea what they really these, the elder board was large and had no idea really who James MacDonald was, am I right? How about it James McDonald and John MacArthur (and the like), how about it? And the pain is overwhelming. And welcome to the podcast. . Julie Roys is a veteran investigative reporter and founder of The Roys Report. But somewhere around 2008-10 his preaching changed a bit. I acknowledge my sin to you. Jared Prayed for you just now. Its loving to give medicine to a sick patient, and its loving to speak the truth to a deceived person.. I didnt know these things were going on, but Im so sorry. All my legal fees got paid. This man has been your pastor for decades. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. He would probably be wildly successful. uterus or clean out a womb after a stillbirth (because these treatments are labeled abortions, and even that word brings out comments like yours). And then you know, you would categorize these things. Okay. I believe it was from Mancow who texted me. She was a late comer to those of us who had been exposing MacD for a long time. https://biblehub.com/hebrew/898.htm bagad (treachery aka abuse) is used FIVE times in Malachi 2:10-16!!! She wanted me to look at it. Vernick, however, believes abuse is grounds for divorce. That would be my word to Ron Duitsman. year. Pastor James MacDonald. Not everybody had the physical letters, but we talked through what was in the letters. A strong woman with a weak husband will become a toxic woman. And I got it. But like I said, Hes really working hard to rewrite history. If youd like to find me online, just go to Julieroys.com. This is the passage. Only Gods opinion is what counts. We are so embarrassed and disgusted by his gross actions in the last 30 years. Its impossible to take evangelicals seriously. (Julie Roys) Eight years ago, prominent author and pastor, John MacArthur, strongly warned the Moody Bible Institute about its association with now-disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald. And there were several of us saying, you know, looking at I Timothy 5, looking at Hebrews 13:17, which tells us that elders are going to give an account. And this wasnt a one time thing. Tell Harvest Church board hows the fruit now? One, its impossible, and were gonna get killed, were gonna get slaughtered on that. You really didnt know at that point, whether he was going to get fired, or resign, or what was going to happen until Mancow Muller aired those vulgar excerpts from this hot mic recording that James McDonald didnt know he was on mic. ( was spent) That seems pretty straightforward. It was a four hour meeting. And I want to help people lead the church well. Am I characterizing that correctly? What I especially find troubling is this: How come nobody has talked about the false doctrines that MacDonald has been preaching??? His support of Kari Lake shows that he supports her lies. Ministry News. The fruit which was souls coming to Christ was enormous. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. But to also say, this was this was my fault, too. This is James said what he said. Yes, I agree. But he said even the way said that he said, we got out of that meeting, we looked at each other. Hi. It was demonic. To myself, I said, and do our job. There was just an absolute refusal to rebuke him publicly. MacDonald is a successful American religious entrepreneur. Later that night, or first thing you know, into the wee hours of the next morning, the communication was out to the people of Harvest, and it was over. But its also an important podcast, because as you may know, James McDonald is aggressively trying to rewrite history and relaunch his ministry. On that Haiti trip. Then let me just ask you from the start, why are you doing this? We had a group of Pastors who interviewed him and he gave us free tickets to his Straight Up conference. Church, Ministry News I need to repent. And I have, you know, probably probably six weeks later, less than, probably four weeks later or something I I apologized for signing that. The pastor of the largest church in Minnesota (around 23,000 average . And I know it was a battle. Yes, and I would add that baked into the command for husbands to love their wives is the definition of love in 1 Corinthians 13. Leslie said: Julie Roys is a Christian investigative reporter who has called out some big names, and she has suffered for it. And everyone who stayed just drank the Kool-Aid. Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center to become dean, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation Churchan Association of, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while pastoring at Harvest, It has been said, Show me a persons checkbook and I can tell you what he cares about. Social Action, 1964 James MacDonald, the, Christian actor Kirk Cameron on Monday featured disgraced pastor James MacDonald as a guest on Camerons TBN Takeaways program on biblical illiteracy. MacDonald was fired, Mark DeMoss, a man described by Christianity Today as Evangelicalisms PR Guru and a former Liberty University trustee, is apparently spending time with two men, Its been more than two years since Harvest Bible Chapel fired James MacDonald for engaging in conduct . Is that how it went down? Were just talking a minute ago, you know, the emotion and the weight and the relief and the sadness, and all those things are true. And I actually requested the letter from Sandy, because Sandy had shared some things with us about what she had seen. I mean just absolutely devastating stories and, and feeling the pain. Guest Bios Show Transcript Many times, those who have experienced spiritual abuse are retraumatized when they try to speak about whats happened. And I looked at it, and I could not read the whole letter in one sitting. He was in Walk in the Word studios apparently, and said some really vile things, including, you know, joking about putting child porn on a computer, joking about me having an affair with a Christianity Today editor, which has no basis in fact whatsoeve. I followed his ministry for almost 2 decades. Because your article seemed to conflate all these things. On January 7, 2019, Harvest elders announced they decided to drop the lawsuit against Julie Roys and four other individuals. Its more of a social teaching of extreme patriarchal churches to protect and promote the power structure of who is God-ordained to be in charge. Yeah. Any update on the James MacDonald vs Harvest debacle? Jesus help us. #JRgossipslut #JRcancerinChristsbody. harmful to the best interests, Disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, continued his tirade against me and The Roys Report on Tuesday, repeatedly calling me #JRgossipslut and asserting that I am, According to anindependent auditof Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. Hes not qualified. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? Had they reached all the elders at this point? Wow! Dan George served as an elder at Harvest Bible Chapel over a period of 10 years, actively serving on the elder board from 2010 through 2015, and rejoining the board in late 2018. He could have apologized a long time ago, but nothing publicly. That this was all a plot by him that he was vengeful, towards James McDonald. Because if he resigns, he gets up in front of the church, gets to spin things, and, you know, can probably relaunch somewhere else. A Christian leader, according to 1 Timothy 3:3, should not be "greedy for filthy lucre.". I think there was a group in the in the room that would have let him have the microphone that weekend. The Lord made it really clear. He should sell cars or computers. And to give you the flavor of the meeting, when I walked in the room, and we all greeted each other, we were in the former executive pastors office around an oval table, and James McDonald sitting across from me. I see that as just simply implicating a larger group and a conspiracy to use church money for stuff that was never intended. You know, they asked him as an executive committee member and the elder board chairman. James MacDonald Suspends New Home Church Network Julie Roys September 29, 2020 Seven months after launching a Home Church Network (HcN) for those who "struggle to get to church or to stay in church," former celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, is suspending the program. Roys detailed evidence from former Harvest elders, employees, and members that . The only joy in doing this is we would be obeying Gods word. So if youre listening, you need and you havent read those letters, you need to go back and Dean Butters, I mean that one has to be just the emotional impact of the the bullying and the abuse, and then even a video where he mocked a very well known Christian leader because she was getting married in midlife for the first time and mocking her for never having sex before. He knows! Christian counselor and author, Leslie Vernick, took exception to Viscontis post. George of course evangelicalism is [anti-Christ] fundamentalism. 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