Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip.. The MEGA Live Event July 23rd, 2021 Tulips & Honey. My exact words were: I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. Since I made that comment, Ive seen several endorsements of Priscilla Shirer and her materials by Tony Evans, so I guess that tells us his perspective and the fact that hes not very discerning. Could you please show me the Bible verse that says were supposed to be happy for people who achieve financial and popularity success by twisting Gods word, teaching false doctrine, and walking in disobedience to Him? read more, Scripture: Going Beyond Ministries is focused on the expository teaching of the Word of God. Before we move on to Priscilla, I just want to reiterate that preaching to men is not the only way Beth is unrepentantly breaking Scripture (although that is certainly enough to disqualify her as a teacher). MAIN TEXT: MATTHEW 14:15 Bible Verses about 'Beyond'. Elizabeth. Wow! Ive read her own account explaining this. She is the New York Times Best Selling author of more than two dozen books and has had featured roles in movies like War Room (2015), I Can Only Imagine (2018) and Overcomer (2019). Yes, hope is needed, and no youre not going to find it on the news, but youre not going to find true hope in Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer, either, because not only can you not find hope in bad news (like the TV news) but you cant find hope in false news either, and thats what they teach. Dear Michelle, It is a sad irony that Priscilla Shirer opted to name her ministry Going Beyond, because this is exactly what she is choosing to do right now. Neil Richardson has proposed that instead of getting back to the Bible we should go forward with the Bible. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. How is this different? INTRODUCTION: I am not sure that the Gospel Coalition is a credible source. Glad to know i am not the only dude that reads this wonderful sisters blog. YLT, NASB, ASV, AM, LEB, WEB. As Christians, we are to follow and obey Gods written word, the Bible, not our own opinions. Thank you, Daisy. Be a Christian Who Cares - Jonah didnt smell good. Jesus had employed many graphic analogies using common things that would be familiar to everyone (https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-parables.html). Thank you MIchelle Lesley. But I dont recall her suggesting that Christians meditate or pursue contemplative prayer. Pastor Chris Rosebrough explains why Priscillas twisting of John 10 to mean that we can hear God speak to us is unbiblical. Indeed, we were the first to reach you with the gospel of Christ. Nehemiah 8:10 Verse Concepts The youtube video you offer here in your post is not available and Id kind of like to see what you were talking about. 7 Steps to Figuring it Out on Your Own helpful in understanding biblically whether or not someone is a false teacher. Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - THAT'S WHEN MIRACLES HAPPEN! My heart longs for you to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ by learning the truth of His word. Im sure you can find other examples on YouTube if you need them. GO FIGURE? FOCAL POINT: TO IDENTIFY THREE DANGERS BELIEVERS MUST AVOID. As for the topic of this post neither of us have heard of her, but thanks for the heads up and good article as always. read more, Scripture: Having just heard what efforts even St. Paul had to make to run in the Christian race, and how terribly their fathers in the wilderness had failed to meet the requirements of God, they might be inclined to throw up every effort in despair. As a Christian when we face difficulty God provides the means for us to be encouraged, but we are not just to languish in that resting place. This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. Id be interested, too! (HaHaHa~ I KNOW Im going to be asked about this one by the ladies in our study. Ive heard her recommend Christian women to go to a quiet place to pray. Yes, there are many more examples of Priscillas poor handling of Scripture in the Additional Resources section. She also teaches false doctrine (things that either are at odds with Scripture or arent in Scripture at all) and partners with other false teachers (people who teach false doctrine). Stay the Path (book) Promo Priscilla endorses Bobbie Houstons book. Mark 7:31-37. She did indeed build the doctrine of theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pew on her eisegetical handling of Scripture as I explained in that section. It will be called the good shepherd calls. #1- Thank you so much for letting me know that link was broken. Silly me! Michelle, what do you think about this article? This is not a new idea. There are some instances in which it is biblically permissible for a man to be in the room while a woman is teaching the Bible, but if the men you saw were there for biblical instruction from a woman, they were violating Scripture (see #1 & 2 here https://michellelesleybooks.com/2015/12/18/rock-your-role-faqs/). Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-pastored by a woman), Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018, Special Guest Priscilla Shirer (October 11, 2015) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at The Refuge Church (co-pastored by a woman), What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast (October 4, 2020) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon for Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? 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Romans 4:18. Heres why: 1. Did you feel any kind of fear? Introduction to Beyond Sunday Series: Which is why it grieves me to have to answer that question with: Her theology. Unfortunately, there are serious red flags about some of the things Priscilla does and teaches that Christian women who follow her, or are considering following her, need to be made aware of. Remember, the Bible says our hearts are deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9), so we cant trust our feelings unless they line up with, and are based on, the truth of Gods word. I think the following articles will be helpful in answering your question: You might also want to take a look at the other articles in my Rock Your Role series. And His promises will never let you down or disappoint you. And, sometimes, basic is enough. Bible Study Workbooks Priscilla's studies help believers to know the truths of Scripture intellectually and encourage them to experience these truths practically by the power of the Holy Spirit. People who are genuinely born again have a hunger and thirst for studying the truth of Gods word and growing in Christ. So, to "not go beyond what is written" means to focus on Jesus and His Word above all else. What is a defining moment? You must be afraid of some things, or else you will be in trouble. We are to go beyond encouragement. I havent done One in a Million yet) this is supposition on your part. If he had, he would have been advocating one of four principles, which are inconsistent with the rest . She does. When the disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray, He taught them: Pray then like this: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. Then Judah said to Onan, "Go in to your brother's wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother." Romans 15:1 Verse Concepts Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength and not just please ourselves. Thats not an accusation, its a statement of fact. The proper method of teaching Scripture is exegesis. Its not about doing good works to get myself into heaven, like going to church every No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. Well, that is why the rubber band was made, to be stretched. If you need more information, Id suggest BereanResearch.org, FightingForTheFaith.com, CARM.org, GTY.org, and Apprising.org. Thank you, Michelle! THIS PRACTICE WAS NOT UNCOMMON IN THE EARLY CHURCH. AT THE GOING BEYOND SIMULCAST, YOU CAN EXPECT: Bible teaching from best-selling author Priscilla Shirer To gain tools to study Scripture on your own To engage in worship led by Anthony Evans A powerful group prayer experience The opportunity to make an impact by partnering with a ministry As a womens leader at your church are you not often asked questions to clarify your personal views? But, yes, sometimes I do offer to send someone Im talking to (face to face) links to my articles, other peoples articles, books, sermons, etc., if theyd like to study an issue more. Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. She does teach and preach to men whether I say she does or not. If not, she does not know the Bible well enough to be teaching (James 3:1). and also I feel you need to reach out to her for yourself. If youre in need of suggestions of doctrinally sound blogs for women, go to the top of this page and click on Recommended Bible Teachers. Ive got two lists of 10 up there, and another one coming in the near future. God speaks to us and teaches us through the careful study and preaching of His word, not through subjective voices, feelings, and experiences in the rhythms of everyday living (what, precisely, does that phrase even mean?) Do you send women to your articles as a response?. #2 I wasnt aware that Joyce Meyer, Christine Caine and the Osteens were false teachers! http://lisaharper.net/calendarevents/. You may not agree with all of these points, but there is enough here to indicate that you should be very wary of getting involved with Priscilla Shirer studies. That is why there is so much confusion in the flock, they dont rebuke the error as Paul did, but are now hobnobbing with them.. John 14:1-4, Luke 10:18-20, 1 Corinthians 15:19. I have provided you video and audio evidence that Priscilla Shirer has done exactly that, and continues to do so unrepentantly. Even if shes twisted. They needed to be reminded of who the true Christ of Scripture was. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective.. And the only way to do that is to not only study/read the Word of God in its *entirety* but believe and apply it. Heres just one example of Priscilla preaching to men: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fIzWbXvfps. http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2012/10/introducing-priscilla-shirer-and-jesus.html. Sermon by Rick Crandall Untold millions of Christians over the last two thousand years have studied Gods word, grown close to Him, matured in their faith, and walked faithfully with Him throughout their lives. I didnt know I was reading and studying scripture wrong. How do we respond to those who are new Christians and who still "smell" of their former sinful lives? All of these people are proponents of the false and anti-biblical Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) doctrine, and the Jakeses are also modalists. Genesis 24:1-4. The Bible doesnt say anywhere that because only two people out of two million entered the Promised Land that only a handful of people will be able to experience (theres that word again) what weve learned on the pew.. We treat God's written word with reverence, accepting it as complete and adequate, and refuse to alter it in any way (II Timothy 3:16,17). Go beyond what's fair. If you dont trust the evidence Ive presented here, I encourage you to do your own research. It does NOT say, and be baptist. NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. Ill let you know how we continue our course of action. First,this is a sin. If false teachers and their followers would simply repent and believe and obey Scripture, there would be no more division in the Body. Read 2 CHRONICLES 34:1-33 [1] Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem thirty-one years. Christians dont get to have our own personal opinions. Furthermore (since Priscilla looks to tangible experiences and anecdotal evidence as support for her ideas), both anecdotal church history and the experiences of Christians who are alive today prove this idea to be false. Ive subscribed to both for several years, so I can tell you thats not the kind of writing they do (though Challies did feature and link to Aimee Byrds review of Fervent in his 12/21/15 A La Carte segment). Youve come to the correct conclusion about Priscillas teaching, and the Holy Spirit does direct genuine believers away from false teaching (John 10:5), but I want all of my readers who happen across this comment to please make sure (as Im sure Lynette did) you ALWAYS base your beliefs on what Scripture says, not on feelings and impressions. It was stated, that the big name pastors are no where to be found when standing against these deceptions. God knew what He was doing. Christianity and Adversity: Corona Virus and a Faith Based approach I dont want to lead us astray ). Mark 10:46-53 Based on Saikowoods earlier post, you are not even familiar with the fact that Dr. Tony Evans is her father. How can we be Christians who care? Romans 16:17-18, They said to you, In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions. It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit. If you have Priscillas contact information and can get her to talk to me (Ive attempted to communicate with her several times and have been ignored), I will be delighted to discuss this issue and the entirety of this article with her. Unfortunately, Word Press doesnt show me that kind of thing until after Ive published my own comment. The silence he describes in the paragraph titled Line 1 could easily be construed to mean mystical/contemplative (i.e. Either way, while it is fine to fellowship and join with people of other denominations who hold to biblical doctrine (I have plenty of friends, and listen to plenty of teachers, outside of my own denomination, but they all teach and conduct themselves in line with the Bibles teachings. How I wish I could ask him what he thinks of his heathen saving methods now that he has seen the face of Jesus!). We do not build doctrine or what we believe about God on peoples subjective experiences. Luke 9:1-10:20, Denomination: Are they guiding and leading a flock ( a church )? Its not simply a prohibition against women having a job as a pastor- theres more to it than that. (This is where the video above ends. The Holy Spirit decided that what this church needed to combat that false teaching was a refresher course in Christology (the study of Christ- who He was, what He did, and why). Some would call that circular reasoning. Thank you! I think I dont think I feel If youre a Christian, what you think, feel, believe, say, and do is supposed to be governed by Scripture. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts. They had started out on the right foot with the biblical gospel, but false teachings were beginning to take hold. Well since thats the case, why dont you study and agree with what the Bible says? Some of the points you bring up give me pause. Genesis 24:15-20, Denomination: Like I said in todays article God has more for you and expects more from you than from you than settling for fluff and false doctrine. 1And Abraham was old, and well stricken in age: and the Lord had blessed Abraham in all things. ), The Treasure You Already Are | Priscilla Shirer | [at Joyce Meyers] Love Life Womens Conference 2013, Priscilla Shirer Talks Women and the Church, Moving From the Pew to the Pavement and Why Christine Caine Is at the Top of Her List at the Christian Post, Priscilla Shirer recommends Joyce Meyer, Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, etc., Bible studies on her blog at Going Beyond, Priscilla Shirer speaks at Joyce Meyers womens conference alongside false teachers Joyce Meyer, Lisa Harper, and Sarah Jakes Roberts (T.D. The sweet missionary who taught us wide-eyed teenagers has since passed into Heaven. Job 36:26 Verse Concepts And the Bible says that women are not to preach to or instruct men, or to hold authority over men in the gathered body of Believers, the church. With continuous prayer, we have decided to proceed with her study but with open eyes to the objections you brought up. 1 Samuel 30: 6 And David was greatly distressed; for the people spake of stoning him, because the soul of all the people was grieved, every man for his sons and for his daughters: but David encouraged himself in the LORD his If you are also then do we not have the same Holy Spirit to counsel and teach us? Hi Osa- Not off the top of my head. read more, Scripture: I run into you everywhere man YouTube, Twitter, and now here lol. Remember what Hebrews 5:12-14 says: For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. 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